PCM got the chance to speak to co-lead investigators Barry
Fitzgerald and Kris Williams from Syfy's Ghost Hunters
International. The show, which is a spin-off of the Ghost
Hunters series, returns with Season three next week on Wednesday,
Ghost Hunters International features a squad of paranormal
investigators who use their principles of scientific techniques,
to explore some of the most legendary haunted spots around
the world. Each week the team travels to the far corners of
the globe, searching for answers to bizarre supernatural mysteries.
For its first round of investigations, the International crew
took on some of Europe's most haunted locales, including Chillingham
Castle in England and the forgotten underground city of Mary
King's Close in Scotland. The new episodes will take the team
to countries such as Peru, Singapore, Sweden, the Philippines
and many others.
Check out the conversation below along with the trailer for
season three of this ghoulish series:
In regards to the first two episodes that are held
in Trinidad, what did you find the biggest challenge you had
with investigating in that location?
Kris Williams: Just in some locations there were huge
- I know Barry and I - the location Chacachacare was very
overgrown, thick, thick jungles. And I know it's not something
we usually have a lot of experience with. I don't know. What
would you say?
Barry Fitzgerald: Well I certainly agree with you,
Kris. Chacachacare certainly was something which was really
new for us and really getting into some of that adventure
side of ghost investigating. And the very fact that we were
pushing ourselves to the limits in Trinidad was great for
us to get out of that norm and really extend ourselves.
And certainly for me, Trinidad will always be remembered by
the huge centipedes that hiss at you. And just - Joe Chin
and Scott Tepperman had it the hardest. And of course, I can't
forget the roads either. They were petrifying.
Where is the one place that you haven't investigated
yet for each of you that you most want to?
Kris Williams: I've always wanted to investigate the
Catacombs in France. But I think you guys have already done
that before I came on, right, like a section of it?
Barry Fitzgerald: That's right, that's right, yes.
For me I would have to say it would be the Titanic, right
at the bottom of the Atlantic.
Now can you both talk about Trinidad and the supernatural
elements there as compared to North America or even Europe?
Kris Williams: You know, it's funny because Barry and
I have both been running into places where the belief systems
are just different. And it's funny because it's been challenging
us in a lot of ways, because there's certain that we tackle
things that goes against the local culture and the local beliefs.
And I know the big thing in Trinidad was the story of the
Soucouyant which appears as a fireball. And they say that,
basically, she'll appear as an old woman and peel her skin
away and turn into this fireball. And the locals are afraid
of this thing. It's something that they scare their kids with
so they stay out of the jungle.
But it's just really interesting to see the differences and
hear the differences in the cultures in all the different
countries you go to. It's different because when I was in
the states, you know, you're familiar with what people believe
here. But once you start going outside of that and you get
to see the world a little bit, it's interesting to see our
differences. You learn - I feel I'm learning a lot more with
the international show.
Barry Fitzgerald: The differences, as Kris has pointed
out, are varied. And we find ourselves both bringing solutions
to some of those belief systems and alternatives. And at other
times we're facing a learning curve as well from our perspective
which takes us outside of our comfort zone. And sometimes
we're faced with things that we've never experienced before.
England, for example, we were told about this story that just
seemed a way out there. And, you know, for us to film that
and see it for ourselves was quite a remarkable experience.
But Trinidad, of course, has its own belief systems, very
much similar to other island belief systems. But both Trinidad
and Tobago, and of course the other islands, are steeped in
myth and superstition. And it's a very vibrant place. And
that vibrancy filters through into its legends and myths.
And it was really a remarkable experience for us all.
Kris Williams: It's funny, too, because a lot of times,
like, the, you know, different belief systems are kind of
putting the group in an interesting spot, because we're -
you know, obviously there's six of us. We're all coming at
it from different angles too. But then we're dealing with
the local culture. And, you know, there's been a couple times
we all are battling out - battling it out in a way, because
it's so different than anything we're used to dealing with.
I don't know. It's been fun. I think the last few cases we've
done have really made us all kind of think of think outside
Kris, can you talk about what you felt on the leg in
the dark in Trinidad and what you thought it was?
Kris Williams: What I felt on my leg in Trinidad, the
Lopinot. I'm trying to think. Yes, I honestly, I have no clue.
I mean there's a few things that happened in Trinidad that
I can't explain. I know I have seen this shadow, this human
figure. I also got touched. I know Barry had things a few
things happen to him that he couldn't explain. You know, it's
just one of those cases where, you know, we have personal
experiences. But then, you know, we also have some stuff to
back it up. So it was just - it was just a weird case all
I think all of us were kind of either - I don't even know
how to describe it honestly, like we're all split. For a while
there it was three on one side and three on the other. And
we're kind of battling it out over evidence. We're battling
it out over personal experience. And then, it's just - I enjoy
cases like that because we're all kind of picking at each
other. We're all working together to figure it out. It's not
like just Barry and I, which is nice.
But I have no idea what the hell touched me. I have no idea
what the hell I've seen at the location. I'm still trying
to figure it out because everything in me has always been
a skeptic. And I always question, even when I know I couldn't
explain it when I was there. But I have no idea. I mean, I'm
still confused by it.
Can you tell us Barry, do you have any new investigative
techniques or technologies that you're going to introduce
Barry Fitzgerald: I have been working with (Paul) on
development within the camera technology. We do want to see
more. We want that - we don't want that technology to become
stagnant. And so it's continually developing. We do have the
fourth generation camera, a low light full spectrum camera
which is coming out now. And it has been proving very critical
for us on the investigations, especially in Castle Rising
in England. There's going to be some staggering evidence coming
from over there.
Can you tell us about any paranormal experiences you
may have encountered in the last few years that didn't make
Fitzgerald: I know for - I know for me, and Joe Chin was
part of this as well, that when investigating a French chateau
down in the Bordeaux region. The - whatever was in the chateau
actually followed the cast back to the hotel and we were all
woken up at the same time in the morning.
I know that I had woken up and there was a guy standing inside
my room. I jumped up to confront him and he just stepped back
in the darkness and was gone. It was only when we discussed
this the next day that we discovered what was actually going
on. But that was a fantastic case. I loved it.
Besides Trinidad and Argentina, where else are you going
to take us this summer? And what are some of the reports that
Barry Fitzgerald: I'd say after Trinidad and Argentina
we actually head up to England, to Castle Rising where we
weren't quite sure going into it whether the client was actually
haunting the place, or sorry, whether the client was being
haunted or whether the castle itself was being haunted, and
by some unusual claims of activity. And then we headed across
to Isle of Man to the Rushen Castle. It was the last place
that a witch was burned in the Isle of Man.
And then we went across to Ireland, one of Kris's favorite
places, Spike Island. It was a prison. Its uses have changed
over many years. But this is also the last place - the last
port of call for the great Titanic before she set sail across
the Atlantic. We also went to Roe Valley in Northern Ireland.
It was a former workhouse. And some really weird, unusual
claims were made to us there, down into New Zealand, Riccarton
Racecourse Hotel and scene of a very dastardly murder. And
so in that particular episode we turned into detectives more
so than paranormal hunters. Napier Prison, of course there,
down there in New Zealand as well. And American Samoa, where
invested a former girl school which is now being swallowed
up by the jungle.
What do you think are the differences between Ghost
Hunters International and Ghost Hunters?
Kris Williams: Oh, there are a lot. You know it's -
I spent a little over three years on Ghost Hunters. And you
know, you just grew up knowing US history. Hopefully most
people do. You're very aware of the Revolutionary War and
the Civil War and, you know, the Trail of Tears, and just
all the big events that we had back here in the states that
started our country off.
And you get used to the plains, and you're pretty familiar
with the cultural beliefs and the religions that are here.
For me, international has been quite a change because, you
know, here it's like I know the language. I'm used the money.
I'm used to the food. I'm used to all this stuff. But then
when you go over seas, you're dealing with different foods,
different money, different languages, different cultures,
different belief system. So all around it's a challenge. It's
a good challenge, because I'm seeing things, experiencing
new things. But it's not just the locations that we're up
against once we leave the states.
The history alone I've absolutely loved, getting to go to
these different countries, you know, getting a look at their
cultural differences, getting an idea what their history was
all about. And some of these places we've gone to are places
that you read about in history books here in the states I
never imagined every walking into. So it's very surreal in
a lot of ways. I enjoy it. I really enjoy the difference in
the two shows. But, yes, international is its own thing. It's
completely different from anything I've experienced in the
With the original series, Kris, you used to answer the
phone and talk to regular folks. I'm wondering how is the
criteria for choosing locations for international and do you
miss getting that phone call from, for example, a worried
Kris Williams: (Susie) is our case manager. So she's
usually setting up the cases. But they kind of come in from
all over the place. We have either our clients contacting
(Susie), or, you know, there's places we've always wanted
to go so we'll look into them, or places that the production
company's heard of, or people contacting them directly. So
it's kind of coming from all over.
And as far as missing it, I enjoy a new challenge, you know.
I've done that for three years. I felt that I learned everything
I could in that spot. And now I've gotten the chance to get
moved over and promoted. And it's been nice because when I
started with TAPS, you know, I had the history and research
I didn't really have a background in the paranormal, even
though it was something that always interested me. So it's
nice to be able to come into another team with actual experience
behind me. I feel like I have more to offer this time around.
And it's been fun being paired up with Barry, because, one,
we pick on each other a lot, which is fun. You know, he just
looks at things completely different than (Amy) did. (Amy)
and I were alike in a lot of ways. But I find that with Barry
and I, we're constantly challenging each other, and sometimes
it's even a bit of a tennis match because our - the angles
that we both take our complete opposites.
And it's fun because I'm being forced to look at things a
little differently. I'm forced to think about things a little
differently. And I enjoy the challenge. I mean, I've told
a few people - they're like, oh, I miss you on GH with (Amy).
Life's all about moving forward and learning new things. And
I felt I really enjoyed Ghost Hunters. I learned everything
I know now there. And I just feel that I'm now being able
to bring it somewhere else and help out my new team. So I
Barry Fitzgerald: First, Joe, it's about as well as
a challenges as Kris has pointed out with different cultures,
belief systems, and everything else, you also have the challenges
of bureaucracy. And those themselves can play a big part within
GHI. And getting into specific countries, the paper work that
you need, and sometimes your equipment being seized and having
to work through to get those things lifted can really affect
scheduling and our home times. Because, you know, a lot of
the times we're away from our families quite a bit.
And whenever we get equipment seized and things like that,
then of course, then our stay is extended, and so we can get
that shoot done.
But GHI has its challenges, it really does. But from those
challenges we grow. And that's an important thing. As an entire
team, we grew immensely. And I absolutely adore working with
Kris and her approach is great. And I know that - I know that
we come at things from totally different angles. But from
that particular point, we find our middle ground. And it works
very, very well.
Could you share with us some of the essential items
that you pack with you in your travel bag when you head out
for a trip?
Kris Williams: I pack my iPod, yes, iPod for sanity.
I am a music person. I will not lie. It is hard. International
travel is hard. It's harder than anything I've dealt with
in the States.Like he said, different foods. You know, your
body is thrown off within your diet. Your body is thrown off
with time zone changes. The language barrier, it can be difficult.
Not being able to call home because, you know, everybody's
in bed while you're just waking up. It's difficult in a lot
It's funny because after a while you start knowing your coworkers
better than you do your family. Like, Barry I see as my brother.
You know? (Susie), she's like another little sister. And we,
luckily, all get along really well. You know, there's just
- it's a good thing because there's really no going home at
the end of the day. There's no restart or refresh button.
And I don't know, I just enjoy everybody but they - the big
thing with the iPod for me is that when I do get that chance
to kind of be by myself on the - in my room, it's just more
of a chill out because you kind of - you're so go, go, go,
go, go all the time, you kind of forget how to relax and that's
usually the one way I'm able to do that, so music is a huge
Barry Fitzgerald: And for me, I am packing my snorkel
and fins and sunscreen. Being Irish of course, we don't travel
too well without sunscreen.
What has been the most life-threatening paranormal encounter
Barry Fitzgerald: The biggest one for me, would have
been off the show. And it nearly drowned me in Slovakia -
or sorry, not Slovakia, in Snagov in Romania, just a little
Transylvania. And whatever that was that was in the water,
it's not good. And that was the most challenging thing I have
come up against to date.
Kris Williams: Honestly I haven't run into anything
paranormal yet that's been, you know, that physical with me.
I think that's why (I'm still) kind of ballsy with the provoking.
Once I learn my lesson I might reconsider it.
But as far as life-threatening, a lot of times it's just the
places we're in. I mean, we've been in old, empty buildings
with open elevator shafts or just floors that you could fall
through. We had one of our camera guys almost go through the
floor in American Samoa. We were told that the floor was safe,
the cement was safe and his foot went through. So you just
really never know what you're going to run into, whether it's
the building falling apart, a cliff that you didn't know was
Like the island we went to, Spike Island in Ireland, they
kept having to warn us about this wall. It just looked like
flat ground. But if you went so far out there is a 40-foot
drop. And we're running around in the dark with this stuff.
So it's just, you always have to be very aware. And when things
do happen you have to really keep calm because you can't just
go running off in any direction because you could seriously
get hurt or killed if you're not smart about it.
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